A few years ago a software engineer asked a few Chemical/Civil/Mechanical engineers and the majority of "real" engineers seemed to think we were [1]. I'm not aware of a better study but happy to be proven wrong, since I generally refer to myself as a Software Developer

[1] https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/are-we-really-engineers/

Absolutely. Engineering is defined by it learning from history, it's an art build up from thousands of years of human attempts to alter the world around them. In a modern sense engineers inevitably require a certain amount of schooling, certification, and most critically of all professional and ethical standards.

I happen to be both. Engineering is a mindset, and to call yourself an engineer, people should be at least this: https://www.internationalengineeringalliance.org/accords/was...

I never understood why actual engineers(eg. Civil) have not complained more that programmers/coders stole that title.

they have, loudly and repeatedly, it doesn't really make it very far on HN for obvious reasons.

Not sure it’s obvious reasons, but understandable, sure. When someone questions your credentials the default is to tell them to jump, whether that’s a good idea or not.

HN removes every post that doesn't get upvotes, especially if they get lots of comments.

I know just as many people who have that title foisted upon them by HR and leadership of their company than others who have taken it up.

So I think it sounds more than actual people who would be happy to be called software developers.

Why would they care? And a lot of them turned to coding anyway.

Because Engineering is an incredibly rigorous discipline and title that requires so much work to obtain. It’s like a massage therapist calling themself a doctor. Computer Science isn’t Engineering.

Sure but out of my engineer friends I've never heard of them sneering a programmer calling themselves and engineer, they literally don't care and just worry about their own job. It seems only programmers seem to care about their lack of a proper engineer title.

Do people seriously care about this debate? I don't even use the term software engineer. I usually just say [computer] programmer. Though depending on my mood I might say I am virtual firefighter, and believe me, there are always virtual fires that need to be put out.