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I'm not going to spend an hour trying to distill the AI-slop to find out what potential golden nugget may lie in there.

It's impossible to judge the content if it's buried under a landfill. "If you won't take the time to write it, I won't take the time to read it."


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- you are going to regret offloading this much of your brain's critical thinking to an external source in the long run

- every night a good number of neuron connections in your brain are automatically severed because you did not use that ability

- over long periods of time, it ll take you to a point where you wont be able to write a simple factorial program on your own without gpt telling you

- i am not saying this to incite you or mock you or anything. i am just concerned about how much of your thinking you are offloading


I am not offloading anything. I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review solutions proposed by my digital slaves to evaluate whether they are garbage or good.

If you think that having slaves means you don’t need to be a good administrator, then you are sorely mistaken.

It requires more brainpower than it ever did to manage a project the size what used to do a 100 people team. All on your own.

The fact that I am arguing with all of you here and not blindingly follow the narrative should tell you all you need to know about my critical thinking prowess.


> I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review

Review does not require more critical thinking than designing or building.


Designing is all I do basically. AI just a calculator but I tell it what to do and guide it.

Guys you cannot win this argument. We will soon be in a new era. It’s like the old math heads complaining about calculators.

Does anyone complain about calculators making us dumb nowadays?

You can of course avoid this tech like a plague and miss out and that’s fine. No one cares


> Does anyone complain about calculators making us dumb nowadays

It's a fact that people who rely on calculators for everything lose their skills at mental math

What do you think will happen when people rely on computers for everything?

Your new era is going to be full of idiots

And I wouldn't care about that except you all seem to be insisting on dragging everyone down with you


- also no gloating but i wanna mention something

- i dont use calculators anymore

- it was impossibly hard at first

- but my mind is adjusting to it slowly

- i can add and subtract 7 digit numbers effortlessly now

- i am still working on multiplication and division though but we ll get there slowly

- let me give you an example live

2949745 - 2947648

- my thought process to do this goes like this

- 1st 3 digits are same ignore

9745 - 7648

- 2nd step is to round off 9700 - 7700 = 2000, add 45 to it and it makes 2045 , we are still 52 short, add 50 to it and make it 2095, now add 2 and it becomes 2097

- see? no calculator needed

- i can do this faster than you can type the numbers above inside your beloved calculator



> because that’s how things will look like from now on.

No it's not.

People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions.

Many people just completely skip those articles.


> People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions.

Why claim 'people' (plenty of people get value from satisficing) and even try to use 'see comments in HN discussions' as if there is something that actually documents that ie 'we all think it'.

I skimmed it and even skimming it I got value from (what some others here) call 'slop'. (The value was basically it gave me an idea of something I could implement and again I didn't have to study it or even understand everything (or agree) just seeing someone did that made me think about something I might want to do.


More importantly, I’ve started my own little blacklist of people and site I just ignore.

There’s people at work whose messages get completely ignored after too many times of posting verbose, useless, ai slop.


If I want to read AI output, I’ll just ask my own AI. I’m not going to bother reading someone else’s AI.


Thanks for this. My point is proven.


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How did web3 and crypto work out for you buddy?


You’re confusing moving on with the times, and using new tools wrong


It’s not my problem because I can safely skip ai slop without fomo.

It’s extremely rare that someone smart with something smart to say produces this crap.

Like someone said upthread if the author isn’t willing to spend time writing cogently then I don’t think it’s worth my time to try to parse it.


yes but tell your slopywriter to be less verbose, get to the point


I have to admit that 3.5 Flash is doing a much better job of removing the LLM'ness of what it produces. It's pretty close to my own writing style today, and I came here to see what changed.

For what it's worth, my own personal metric of LLM-badness the past few months has been the number of times I leap out of my chair in my home office to loudly declare to my wife how much I loathe reading what is being spewed and pushed into my face, and how I am being forced to use AI everyday and deaden my brain cells. Today is like a breath of fresh air.


Not defending this person, but it's obvious that this person used Github as a file-sync. Firefox-passwords.html and firefox-bookmarks.html are what you dump before migrating to a new computer and importing them there. An old school practice before FF sync was around.

This is mentioned in the article but it stood out enough to call it here.


Thanks for saying this. I live in a small, bleak, brown town just recovering from winter, and even despite this, getting out into nature and staring at the water flow past in the local river gives so much benefit.

Reading this article is a great reminder that we all need to disconnect and ground ourselves again. My brain (and likely most of ours) just can't handle 100% up-time all day and needs that break.

Tangent - I used to go cycling a lot, and required a lot less wall/river-staring then. Of the people I knew who I cycled with, 95% of us were coping with some kind of mental health issue in some way and had found our fix on the bike. I miss it.


I just love it. This calms me in a way I can't put my finger on... something about not needing to endless scroll and choose based off a thumbnail and endure an intro and like-and-subscribe please. It's just there. It removes a bunch of stress.


The cybernews article does have some screenshots showing names like “idmb2c” … also that IDMerit was contacted in November and the ports were closed a day later.


Makes sense if the ID verification process involves scanning a driver license or passport.

Edit- rereading this, you’re obviously talking about scale. The original article is much better : https://cybernews.com/security/global-data-leak-exposes-bill...


I really encourage you to avoid the language of "they" and "we." It's a discussion, and it doesn't need to be an attack of which you are putting yourself on a side, or as you put it, binary thinking. As written I can't know if you are talking about either the right or left.


I think you want to read my comment a certain way and it's not allowing you to, so you posted both:

> it doesn't need to be an attack of which you are putting yourself on a side

and also

> I can't know if you are talking about either the right or left

Which are contradictory, if you think about it. I am not sure what you want me to write if I can't use "they" to refer to other people. Also, I didn't use "we", something you somehow also seem to want me to say, and didn't.


Thanks for the reply.

"They" is exclusive. "We" is inclusive. One goes with the other. The point I was getting at was that when you use that language in a discussion it comes off as if you are directly involved, rather than commenting from the outside, or having an opinion.

I didn't want you to use "we" either :) Here's your comment, rewritten twice, that fits in better with HN rules and avoids emotion:

> The left are also absolutely shameless about lying and feel no obligation to stick to facts or data, but rather appeal to and cultivate ignorance, binary thinking, fear, us-versus-them thinking, and scapegoating. In short, the left's propaganda is more effective because they lean into it being propaganda.

> The right are also absolutely shameless about lying and feel no obligation to stick to facts or data, but rather appeal to and cultivate ignorance, binary thinking, fear, us-versus-them thinking, and scapegoating. In short, the right's propaganda is more effective because they lean into it being propaganda.

As you can see, I couldn't tell which side you were talking about. I hope the above example helps. A lot of political discussion denigrates to us-vs-them. It is not helpful.


This is part of the game. Many games will not be solvable.


> I've seen people say something along the lines of "I am not interested in reading something that you could not be bothered to actually write" and I think that pretty much sums it up.

Amen to that. I am currently cc'd on a thread between two third-parties, each hucking LLM generated emails at each other that are getting longer and longer. I don't think either of them are reading or thinking about the responses they are writing at this point.


It's bad enough they didn't bother to actually write it, but often it seems like they also didn't bother to read it either.


Honest conversation in the AI era is just sending your prompts straight to each other.


I mean one thing we have learnt from Epstein is that the 'elite' don't spend much time crafting the perfect email!


Very true, and it's not just creepy elites either. Before I got into tech I worked a blue collar job that involved zero emailing. When I first started office work I was so incredibly nervous about how to write emails and would agonize over trivial details. Turns out just being clear and concise is all most people care about.

There might be other professions where people get more hung up on formalities but my partner works in a non-tech field and it's the same way there. She's far more likely to get an email dashed off with a sentence fragment or two than a long formal message. She has learned that short emails are more likely to be read and acted on as well.


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> the signal-to-noise ratio in AI-drafted comms is brutal

This is also the case for AI generated projects btw, the backend projects that I’ve been looking at often contains reimplementations of common functionality that already exists elsewhere, such as in-memory LRU caches when they should have just used a library.


Bad example, you really should just write caching yourself. It’s far too little code to pull in a dependency and if you write it yourself in every project that needs it then you will get good at it, so cache invalidation bugs won’t be an issue.


Poe's Law strikes again!


oh the irony


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