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I don't think I would want this device for $500, let alone what Apple is asking.

What is the appeal? There are a few screen scenarios that make sense for my life: (1) Multiple displays at desk to work; (2) TV + couch; (3) laptop + lap or surface; (4) phone (anywhere). I'm never in need of a tablet. If I needed that screen real estate, I'd be reaching for my laptop.


Many people (possibly a majority) use their phone for most of their computing, and perhaps a tablet to stream movies/tv. They use a laptop or desktop for work only, and see those as frustrating and clunky devices. There could be a lot of demand for "phone, but with a tablet screen when I want to watch Netflix" from the segment of the population that has zero overlap with people commenting on a tech forum.

I know many people without a laptop or desktop at home. They don't find it strange. I can't imagine not having at least a laptop in my life.

I know someone exactly like that. He runs a very profitable side business (reselling) using only his smartphone to take pictures, upload them, message customers, emails etc. I'm always baffled how he doesn't at least have some small laptop to help him type out stuff when needed, but he's doing just fine.

I just got the z fold 8. I'm finding vibe coding much more appealing in tablet mode with the extra horizontal real estate. Chat on the left, browser preview on the right. Before, vibe coding away from my desk has always been a PITA. This is actually useful.

What’s the overlap between that AND with people that can put 1000+ into a phone? No, but honestly, outside the US?

Huge outside the US where people live in small places and use public transport rather than living in mansions with big TVs and be in a car (no phone use) all day.

It's not sold as $1999, it's "$83.29/mo. for 24 mo." Sounds a lot more affordable that way.

The folks around me that computing includes a lot of social and game consumption.

> If I needed that screen real estate, I'd be reaching for my laptop.

Which you commonly have in your pocket? I have a GPD pocket 4 and love me some portable laptops, but I do sorta hope we get somewhere with foldables to where I'm happy just breaking out an arc mouse and small keyboard and treating that as the computer.

We're obviously not, and i'm probably not anywhere near willing to shell out the cash for this, but "the tool you have" and all that.


I commute by train. I would never watch a tv show on a phone but watched plenty on my iPad. If the big screen gives you an actual access to “desktop” web, then suddenly more web starts working (the switch in Safari is perfectly useless)

Tmux does not work that well on a tiny screen, and I use it a lot.


> If I needed that screen real estate, I'd be reaching for my laptop.

It is increasingly common for people to have no laptop or any computing device other than their smartphone, smartwatch, and/or game console. I know very few people who have a non-work computer anymore.


Well, good for Apple — at this point if they released an actual brick (I mean an actual clay brick), wrote a few Applesque things on it, showed it on stage, said stuff like "First Ever Apple Brick™," and priced it at, say, $399 (that's a conservative estimate), they still wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. So, your loss.

I think the current iteration of foldables is still too bulky for me. But I can see how it'd be cool to have a large screen while the device still fits in my pocket.

Teams/Zoom calls when not on desk. iPhone Max screen is just a bit too small when people are sharing their screen.

For my wife, who (a doctor) I'm confident is a representative of 95% of smartphone user-base, uses her iPhone for all[0] the tasks you described.

[0] At work she uses hospital provided Windows PC. Used only for patient records, nothing else.


Then don’t buy it.

> I'm never in need of a tablet.

Apple sold something like 60M ipads in 2025. Perhaps you are not the target audience


>What is the appeal?

Twice the screen size in your pocket without having to get special pants.


Lease for $58/mo .. $1392 over lease life

I never thought I'd defend apple, but that was the arguments people (myself including) were making about iPads. So I wouldn't presume this won't find a public, starting with the apple fans.

I find the form factor repulsive though, doesn't fit comfortably in a pocket and seems pretty thick. Screen durability is described as "we have premium material" and an "scratch resistant" coating, but no mention of free screen replacements like samsung is doing ; so I assume you'll have to shelve off half the price of the device every year for a new screen. I think this might not be a great device.

So I guess I agree with you


AppleCare exists. Honestly worth just pricing that in.

Nice big font for my aging eyes.

I want this, this could legitimately replace my laptop. I never liked the samsung fold since the form factor was a bit too ehh. Apple did something right here.

https://www.samsung.com/fi/smartphones/galaxy-z-fold8/buy/ I think that the form factor is pretty much the same?

Oh. They completely changed it haven't kept up since the 5th generation.

They have two form factors of foldables now.

What are you doing on your laptop that this could replace? A functioning tactile real keyboard is not something to be trivially dismissed.

It's not the worst status symbol. It's useful.

It's hard to grapple with the degree of the offense. It is offensive. Imagine a small village a couple hundred years ago with a central square and something like a bulletin board. Someone paints an explicit painting using a village youth's face an puts it on the bulletin board. That's going to create quite a stir, and maybe a lynch mob. I don't want to trivialize the offense.

That said, there's the question of where the line is drawn. If I clip from a biology textbook an image of a nude woman, and I clip the Gerber baby's head and paste it onto the nude woman's head, what is that? If I generate the face of a young boy, then draw a stick figure under it and give the stick figure a stick erection, what is that? I don't know. I mean these things are weird and offensive, but to what degree?


Is it? The male school toilets in high school were full of graffiti messages implying particular girls were open to prostitution or whatever. Something insulting. Sometimes this included their phone number (cell phones became a thing when I was ~halfway through high school). Sometimes "drawings". You can guess which parts were emphasized. Hell, occasionally a guy got this treatment too.

There were a few really big stinks about this too, with the school director getting involved.

I mean, this is not new. Just evolved.


In case it helps anyone tinkering with XML and C#, Visual Studio has a feature in the menu to "paste xml as classes". That can be quite handy if you're going to be deserializing it.


As a counter point, it may be quite subtle and hard to notice what goes wrong when you remove something to see what happens. Imagine you see a large sql query that has a bit of logic that doesn't make sense to you. If you go change it without knowing why it was that way, and users keep on using report output from that query, who is going to notice when they get 982 records in their report instead of 983 one day? It's easy to spot when erroneous data APPEARS, but it's a lot harder to notice when valid data DISAPPEARS. Oh, they really did have a good reason to use outer apply instead of cross apply, there. Oops.


That's a good point indeed.

For this particular case I like to put in a comment next to the weird thing that seems out of place. It can be a short summary and the link to a specific ticket for example.

Also, tests.

Edit: actually id like to emphasize the need for tests. One must be able to refactor code without fearing to break undocumented requirements.


This seems reasonable to me. Devs and BAs flesh out business processes and ultimately document decisions in our Jira issue comments. When you have an issue id handy, it's not that hard to go read what the rationale was for a feature.

I have been ignoring Jira's AI summary, but I suppose that could be useful if the comments were very long.


I agree. If we look to music, how can a musician unhear what they've heard? We celebrate musicians when they cite their influences. In the case of a software library, it is a tool, not a work of art. Its beauty is in accomplishing a specific, useful task. If we can accept musicians drawing inspiration from all the music they've ever listened to, we should be able to do the same for software, especially when its internal code is unrecognizable from a similar tool.


>I agree. If we look to music, how can a musician unhear what they've heard?

Unlike with music, in software traditionally a (human) programmer could be chosen who haven't "heard" (i.e. read the original code). That has traditionally called a "clean room" implementation (not to be confused with the software development process called "clean room").


We are currently at a point where the master furniture craftsmen are doing quality assurance at the new automated furniture factory. Eventually, everyone working at the factory will have never made any furniture by hand and will have grown up sitting on janky chairs, and they will be the ones supervising.


This is a great example...

Designing and building chairs (good chairs, that is) is actually a skill that takes a lot of time and effort to develop. It's easy to whip up a design in CAD, but something comfortable? Takes lots of iterations, user tests etc. The building part would be easy once the design is hammered out, but the design is the tough part.


The majority can be like that but the few can set the tone for many.


Why choose this over Cloudflare D1?


For one they're EU-based, which may be a selling point if you're inclined to divest from US tech when possible.


Disclaimer: I have not used either product; I have used a number of Cloudflare's (mostly free tier) offerings.

In addition to the other points brought up, it looks like pricing strongly favors Bunny once you're outside of Cloudflare's free tier.

Per billion rows read: Bunny $0.30, Cloudflare $1.00 (first 25B/month free)

Per million rows written: Bunny $0.30, Cloudflare $1.00 (first 50M/month free)

Per GB stored: Bunny $0.10/region, Cloudflare $0.75 (5GB free)

Bunny also has a lot better region selection, 41 available vs. Cloudflare's 6 (see https://developers.cloudflare.com/d1/configuration/data-loca...). Even though Bunny charges storage per region used where Cloudflare doesn't, Bunny still comes out cheaper with 7 regions selected. Bunny lets you choose how many and which regions to replicate across; Cloudflare's region replication is an on/off toggle that is in beta and requires you to use "the new Sessions API" (I don't know what this entails).

The main reason I haven't tried out D1 is that it locks you into using Workers to access the database. Bunny says they have an HTTP API.

I plan to stick with VPSes for compute and storage, but I do like seeing someone (other than Amazon) challenge Cloudflare on their huge array of fun toys for devs to play with.


Cloudflare IPs might not work in Spain during football matches :)

It looks like there might be issues in Italy too.


Small companies often have much better technical support than large companies where you just get lost in the system. One of the reasons I moved away from R2 was that it was impossible to contact anyone about the serious issues I had with the product. I’m using Bunny for CDN and have found them to be very responsive.


Not a technical reason, but given Cloudflare's recent business practices where they hold you hostage if you don't upgrade to an enterprise plan are a pretty good reason to avoid imo.


Some ISPs have bad peering with Cloudflare (e.g. Deutsche Telekom). Not Cloudflares fault but it makes it a bad choice if your customers are in Germany.

And Cloudflare is an american company.


Good question, the cloudflare speedtest has a bunny in it.


It’s not an american company.


The soap opera effect drives me nuts. I just about can't watch something when it's on. It makes a multimillion dollar movie look like it was slapped together in an afternoon.


Why don't you invest in some 3D scanning equipment/software. Build the physical object or close to it, then scan it and tweak it in software, doing the whole process backwards.


A 3D scan of an object doesn't help that much if you need drawings. You're still basically doing it from scratch.


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