LLM Arena has them at #3 on the overview, behind Anthropic and Google, ahead of Grok and OpenAI.

Didn't they just announce they were going to be surveilling all their employees screens and keystrokes for AI training? Is that just for the love of the game rather than as part of a product?

That's probably just for internal metrics, automating dev work and facilitate stack ranking. Not to release a product necessarily.

Just saw Zuckerberg post from July 2025 saying they are going to be "careful" with what they release.

1) In the AI world, that's a very long time ago

2) That still equates to "Meta is not in the AI game any more" in meta-corporate speak

Yes, point two is what I meant.